May 2007 Cory Linden Townhall Chat Log

[11:55]  moo Money: =O
[11:55]  Cerulean Capalini: lol
[11:55]  moo Money: never!
[11:55]  Lexa Pro: oh noes.
[11:55]  Nel Shan: Sorry, Josh. Missed it
[11:55]  Digital Digital: will the real linden plz stand up :P
[11:55]  moo Money: hihi
[11:55]  Mecha Dinosaur: Attack it’s weak point for MASSIVE damage!
[11:55]  Luth Brodie: lol
[11:55]  PetGirl Bergman: you did screwin a bulb josh? or what?
[11:55]  Joshua Nightshade: you’re fired nel.
[11:55]  Phoenix Psaltery: you’re right, moo, thats one they wouldnt break :)
[11:55]  Zagro Ferraris: Thers these to polymorphs walking down the street one turns into a bar and the other walks in and tells the bartender to make him a drink.
[11:55]  Lexa Pro steals everyones’ buckets.
[11:55]  You: Chadrick Linden walks into a bar
[11:55]  moo Money: ahahaha
[11:55]  Ravanne Sullivan: Lindens are mythical, like bigfoot
[11:55]  Kylix Petit: “Commander Taggart you are our only hope!”
[11:55]  You: and changes it to a tube, then a sphere.
[11:55]  Greho Otaared: Nooo! Ah wantz mah bukket!!
[11:55]  Jesse Linden: I am in fact. not real
[11:55]  Klink Epsilon: they are a bug inherant to the programming of the matrix
[11:55]  Mecha Dinosaur: Ugh I’m in the floor again..
[11:55]  Kitty Barnett: read
[11:55]  Gwynnie Boffin: YOU get a car! and YOU get a car!
[11:55]  Sascha Vandyke: hey, this region is very stable, does it run on older server software?
[11:55]  Notecard Writer: Still waiting for the “Applause” sign to rezz
[11:55]  Salazar Jack: Hurrah!
[11:55]  Lexa Pro: we’re goign to get NEW SCION TCS!
[11:55]  Wrestling Hulka: Torley! *gets out Watermelon Gun*
[11:55]  Zaphod Kotobide: Torley’s here. ALL RISE
[11:55]  No room to sit here, try another spot.
[11:55]  Nel Shan: Another LInden!
[11:55]  Kylix Petit: Jessee: I already told the joke about the siamese twins that moved to England so the other guy could drive.
[11:55]  Rob Adelaide: YAAAAY
[11:55]  Ravanne Sullivan: Oprah is hiding since her hair rezzed in her butt
[11:55]  Scarlett Qi: Hi Torley! Yoz! Cory!
[11:55]  Zjggy Stardust: ghosts! : O
[11:55]  Torley Linden: hi :)
[11:55]  SunShine Kukulcan: ZOMG..Cory
[11:55]  moo Money: omg a pig!
[11:55]  Gwynnie Boffin: yay Torley!!
[11:55]  moo Money: errr
[11:55]  moo Money: panda
[11:55]  Cerulean Capalini: lol
[11:55]  Rob Adelaide: Torley is a rockin Water-panda-melon
[11:55]  dale Cao: i wish we had voice
[11:55]  — End of Log —
[11:56]  Jeska Linden: Hello everyone!
[11:56]  Jesse Linden: just a moment folks
[11:56]  Notecard Writer high-fived Ravanne
[11:56]  Mecha Dinosaur: So that thsi would sound like a bunch of people talking over each other.. and thus we would be unable to hear each other?
[11:56]  Raul Crimson: hi, jeska
[11:56]  Jesse Linden: we’ll be starting soon
[11:56]  moo Money: it would be his first town hall as a resident
[11:56]  Brenda Maculate: I’m glad I was sitting for this… SEVEN Lindens in the same place….
[11:56]  Harleen Gretzky: Hi Jeska
[11:56]  Zagro Ferraris: YAY voice
[11:56]  Mo Miasma:    ^^^***  OMG  ***^^^
[11:56]  Marilyn Murphy: wanna run a pool on which linden crashes first?
[11:56]  Mo Miasma: lol
[11:56]  No room to sit here, try another spot.
[11:56]  Zagro Ferraris: almost didnt get the stream
[11:56]  Digital Digital: I can’t see any lindens :(
[11:56]  Cerulean Capalini: *clicks beers with the person next to her woo*
[11:56]  SunShine Kukulcan: what babe?
[11:56]  Wrestling Hulka: Lindens, can you guys post the prepared statements on the blog prior to when you copy/paste them?
[11:56]  Sascha Vandyke: the region will crash with so many lindens here
[11:56]  Doc Nielsen: We
[11:56]  moo Money: hey! be nice!
[11:56]  Heretic Linden: grr
[11:56]  Inigo Chamerberlin: That was cool – not
[11:56]  dale Cao: voice voice vvoice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice
[11:57]  moo Money: I didn’t complain even close to as much as you guys when I lost my entire inventory
[11:57]  Patchouli Woollahra shouts: Guys? we have over 50+ people in here, the client cuts out at 30. settle down and listen. please.
[11:57]  moo Money: show some respect
[11:57]  Zi Ree: so.. when we ..get Linux driver ..for voice chat? :P
[11:57]  dale Cao: voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice voice
[11:57]  Gwynnie Boffin: Dale, stop please
[11:57]  Nel Shan: Dale, shoosh
[11:57]  Mecha Dinosaur: Hahah voice chat.. now that’s a joke
[11:57]  Itoku Kamachi: My framerate went up when the Lindens arrived.
[11:57]  dale Cao: i need voice voice voice voice voice
[11:57]  Mo Miasma: i dont :P
[11:57]  Patchouli Woollahra: dale, shut up now!
[11:57]  Kylix Petit: Dale.. where are you sitting.. I need to mute you
[11:57]  Zjggy Stardust: they be magical, mystical, fantastical!
[11:58]  Inigo Chamerberlin: Excuse the lack of hair – one day soon it’ll arrive – maybe
[11:58]  Phoenix Psaltery: noooo
[11:58]  SunShine Kukulcan: Dale..there isnt gonna be any
[11:58]  Gwynnie Boffin: Dale, the problem is that you have too much voice atm
[11:58]  Wrestling Hulka: You can mute using Chat History..
[11:58]  dale Cao: i can tread voice voice voice voice voice voice voice
[11:58]  Brenda Maculate: Audio at all?
[11:58]  Digital Digital: lmao i was using the voice chat client and walked up on people having sex voice chat lol
[11:58]  Nicki Reisler: I like your avatar, Yoz :)
[11:58]  Nel Shan: Not til they can make me sound less like Kathy Bates and more like Audrey Hepburn
[11:58]  Zagro Ferraris: turn on the stream there talking
[11:58]  Zaphod Kotobide: .. /mode #pooley +mv Cory Linden
[11:58]  Brenda Maculate: I did. It craps out.
[11:58]  Jeska Linden shouts: Welcome to today’s Town Hall with Cory Linden. Today’s Town Hall is focused on technical issues within Second Life.
[11:58]  Notecard Writer: Dale STFU
[11:58]  Jeska Linden shouts: We’ll begin in just a few moments, first I wanted to take a minute and explain how this works.
[11:58]  Jesse Linden: please everyone
[11:58]  dale Cao: there is none
[11:58]  Jesse Linden shouts: shush
[11:59]  Wrestling Hulka: Heretic! I’ve never met you before
[11:59]  Heretic Linden: Wrestling! Nice to meet you.
[11:59]  Jeska Linden: Today’s Town Hall is Text Only –
[11:59]  Jeska Linden shouts: All questions should be submitted via the Linden Town Hall Questions group – the group has open enrollment, simply join and paste your question into the Group IM. Questions will be answered in the order they appear, duplicate questions and any technical support or individual support questions will be skipped.
[11:59]  Jeska Linden shouts: If you’d like to follow along with the Town Hall, please join the Linden Town Hall Closed Captioning Group, where we will be repeating the discussion.
[11:59]  Jeska Linden shouts: We will be posting a full transcript to the blog after the event, you may also want to read Cory’s Pre Town Hall blog post here: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/05/02/cory-linden-town-hall/
[11:59]  Joshua Nightshade: zomg wrestling has FIC connections.
[11:59]  dale Cao: i can read
[12:00]  dale Cao: can’t read
[12:00]  Jeska Linden shouts: Also, please hold offers of friendship and IMs to Cory until after the event, as it can be disctracting!
[12:00]  SunShine Kukulcan: lawl@Joshua
[12:00]  Jeska Linden: Ok, Cory, take it away.
[12:00]  Zagro Ferraris: good cus i’m not sure if i got chat logging on :p
[12:00]  Brenda Maculate: Ellin, I can’t see!
[12:00]  Cory Linden shouts: Good afternoon, everybody… amazing to see so many avatars in one place
[12:01]  Davina Glitter shouts: I love you Cory
[12:01]  Cory Linden shouts: And I think since I put up the blog post we should go straight into questions
[12:01]  Joshua Nightshade: is this town hall going to be voice as well?
[12:01]  Zagro Ferraris shouts: Thank you cory i ben here since 6am :p
[12:01]  Melchoir Tokhes: 4 places.
[12:01]  tx Oh: its near 200
[12:01]  Jesse Linden: text only
[12:01]  Zagro Ferraris shouts: Is there a channel that only going to have what the lindens say ?
[12:01]  dale Cao: ican’t read
[12:01]  Mecha Dinosaur: It’s over 9000!
[12:01]  Cory Linden shouts: I know you will have a lot of them, so we’ll go through as many as we can
[12:02]  Joshua Nightshade: who should questions be sent to?
[12:02]  Jeska Linden: Faith Matova: somebody do me a favor and ask them at least why they’ve waited almost 2 years to upgrade to MySQL5?
[12:02]  Zaphod Kotobide: Josh: The town hall questions group
[12:03]  Cory Linden shouts: Because until very recently the performance limitations of MySQL 4.*’s multithreading
[12:03]  Cory Linden shouts: hasn’t been the high nail on performance
[12:03]  Kitty Barnett: (just set yourself busy, Linden chat overrides busy and filters out the chatter :) )
[12:03]  Cory Linden shouts: plus we wanted to make sure it was very stable before we switched
[12:03]  Cory Linden shouts: the process of upgrading is now ongoing, but will take time with 50+ MySQL instances running
[12:04]  Jeska Linden: Daaneth Kivioq: I wanted to konw – since it is clear that permromance issues are closely related to concurrent log ins, why throttling is not beeing used more agressively – i.e. – starting booting non-verifieds when the load gets high?
[12:05]  Cory Linden shouts: We’re trying to be careful about not using it too aggressively and building metrics to better know when to use it. The building of the metrics is ongoing.
[12:05]  Seven Shikami: Is the closed caption echo of the town hall working for anyone else? I’m not getting anything.
[12:05]  Ravanne Sullivan: nope
[12:05]  Ravanne Sullivan: not working
[12:05]  Ravanne Sullivan: par for the course
[12:05]  Nel Shan: Uh-uh
[12:06]  Jeska Linden: Wrestling Hulka: One of the problems I have with the client is the integration of the Mozilla framework for the browsers. From my estimate the inclusion of Mozilla has increased the size of the client download by at least 10MB and increased the memory leak. As of the current client there aren’t many instances where the internal browser is used, instead we are prompted to use an external browser. When can we expect all the external links be sent to the internal browser to justify the great size of the client, and memory leakage? I’m speaking specifically about the My Account History, Manage My Account, Scripting Guide, Scripting Portal, Official Linden Blog found on the Client menu. And if there are no plans to use the internal browser more efficiently, then what is the justification for having it?
[12:06]  Kylix Petit: not working here either *sighs*
[12:06]  Digital Digital: I sent a group question but received an error back
[12:06]  Cory Linden shouts: woah
[12:06]  Zagro Ferraris: Is there going to be some kind of monitor for the sandboxes now that live help is gone… There next to usles now for what there intended for.
[12:06]  Heretic Linden: Let’s focus on the question at hand, please.
[12:06]  Jamie David: Group IM not workie
[12:06]  Cory Linden shouts: As we have talked about in thepast, the integration of firefox has taken *way* longer than any of us expected
[12:06]  Joshua Nightshade shouts: Can someone repeat questions? The closed captioning group isn’t working for anyone.
[12:07]  Cory Linden shouts: we aren’t the only folks who have found this difficult and the good thing about firefox 2.0 is that they are working on making that process easier
[12:07]  Cory Linden shouts: we have an external team working on it as well, so our goal is to be doing a more significant release soon. However…
[12:07]  Celano Obscure mutters. “So don’t use FF.”
[12:08]  Cory Linden shouts: as I pointed out in the blog post, most of our development resources are focused on existing bugs and scaling, so firefox has been a bit starved for resources
[12:08]  Jeska Linden shouts: Kage Seraph: Cory, if you were a super hero, which would you want more, the mutant ability to scale things at will or the ability to make them more stable by the power of your mind?
[12:08]  Wrestling Hulka: sigh at that question
[12:09]  Alayna Hutson: are you kidding me?
[12:09]  Cory Linden shouts: scaling versus stability isn’t really a choice… I would want to do both
[12:09]  Allana Dion: oh cripes
[12:09]  Jamie David: Is this real????
[12:09]  Digital Digital: no one got mine :( figures
[12:09]  Samantha Poindexter closes her eyes and shakes her head.
[12:09]  Jeska Linden shouts: Rob Adelaide: What impact will the impending voice system have on the main grid as we know it now?
[12:09]  Ravanne Sullivan shouts: How about relevant questions and someone fix the CC group?!?
[12:09]  Notecard Writer: Yes
[12:09]  Cory Linden shouts: Since voice is using external servers for mixing and sends a very small stream to each client, the impact of on teh grid
[12:09]  You: There is a certain irony in that this town hall about technical problems is itself having technical problems. ;)
[12:10]  Zagro Ferraris shouts: i just got bumped out of the CC group
[12:10]  Zagro Ferraris shouts: i cant get back in
[12:10]  Cory Linden shouts: as a whole will be minimal from a scaling standpoint. From a use/business/community standpoint, the impact will be incredible…
[12:10]  Veeyawn Spoonhammer: cc group is working for me
[12:10]  Jamie David: IWhen are Group IM’s going to be fixed? Lets start off with that please?
[12:10]  Cory Linden shouts: we’ve been doing all our linden meetings in the voice client for a month+ and it is amazing how well it works…
[12:10]  Wrestling Hulka: Jamie – that’s answered in the blog I believe.
[12:10]  Heretic Linden: Jamie, please submit your questions to the group Linden Town Hall Questions.
[12:10]  Sascha Vandyke: it was voted no for . sigh
[12:11]  Cory Linden shouts: in fact it has had a measurable impact on development, too, since multiple groups are doing their morning standup mtgs in the voice client as well.
[12:11]  Mecha Dinosaur: haha voice is a joke
[12:11]  Jeska Linden shouts: Sweet Valentine: Can we please have a way to back up our own inventorys things we buildto help with inventory load and losses? im not asking for backing up copy items just teh items we make ourselves and also what is being done about inventory losses there was a patch posted that they said was fixing this but people are still losing items daily ?
[12:11]  Jamie David: LOL
[12:11]  Joshua Nightshade: bwahahaha.
[12:11]  Allana Dion: it’s broken
[12:11]  Cory Linden shouts: Agree that backing up items you have full perms on is a good idea. We really feel it is important to build that system in a way…
[12:12]  Cory Linden shouts: that scales and is robust enough to use more broadly. SL has suffered from rapidly deployed systems that we then have
[12:12]  Nyx Divine: yeah Sweet would hate to lose all those freebies she sells
[12:12]  Cory Linden shouts: to rely on for years and years –XML-RPC for example — so this isn’t a quick fix. Would like to work on it in Q3, however.
[12:12]  Jeska Linden shouts: Katie Welles: As you’re working to fix “Search” — can you do something about “abuse of key words?”
[12:13]  Celano Obscure: Well great. Nearly of my most valuable items, the costly ones I treasure most, are NOT full perm. So that helps me how?
[12:13]  Jolene McMillan shouts: i got in! :D
[12:13]  moo Money: clear your cache and restart
[12:13]  Cory Linden shouts: We are starting on a major reworking of search in SL. We’ve talked in the past about how search in sl is a different problem than on the web…
[12:13]  moo Money: it seriously helps
[12:13]  Celano Obscure: I mean, I really couldn’t care less about the junk I made. It’s just’s that. Junk. I could make it again in five seconds.
[12:14]  Samantha Poindexter: Celano: read the blog. Supposedly that’s one of the things they’re trying to work out. The questioner confined this to full-perm, not Cory.
[12:14]  Cory Linden shouts: but we think we have a good approach that will be more resilient to simple spam-based attacks. More details as the design is refined.
[12:14]  Jeska Linden shouts: Digital Digital: I would like to know whyat are we supposed to do when we lose such an expensive item in second life for example I bought a slingo machine for 16KL and it’s gone, I have tried everything also reported it many times and never get a responce back in e-mail or anything.
[12:14]  Heretic Linden: Celano, please confine your questions to the group Linden Town Hall Questions.
[12:14]  Celano Obscure: I don’t have anything lost right now. I just have a few expensive avs I’d hate to see disappear forever the way some folks have.
[12:14]  Alayna Hutson: heh, try calling the tech support… I still haven’t got a response months later
[12:14]  Khamon Fate shouts: You’re going to have to shout if you’re talking to us Heretic.
[12:14]  moo Money: jesus christ, you guys are freaking out more than I did and I lost my entire inventory
[12:14]  moo Money: *which I got back
[12:15]  Nyx Divine: wonderful Moo!
[12:15]  Samantha Poindexter: Ooh, you did, Moo? Yay!
[12:15]  Wrestling Hulka: solution: Be a blog writer for SLI
[12:15]  Sascha Vandyke: great, the group for questions is not working any longer
[12:15]  Zagro Ferraris: i keep loosing bit’s of my inventory aswell
[12:15]  Zagro Ferraris: so far nothing to inportent
[12:15]  Zagro Ferraris: i try to keep my inportent stuff moving around so it stays fresh
[12:15]  Cory Linden shouts: As is spelled out in the terms of service, you do create content at your own risk in SL. We are making every effort to reduce that loss and I am sorry that it has occurred…
[12:15]  moo Money: oh don’t even pull that
[12:15]  moo Money: let the man speak
[12:16]  Digital Digital: lmao
[12:16]  Zagro Ferraris: we need a BANK style invenotry system where you can store longterm unused items in it
[12:16]  Inigo Chamerberlin: Ah… FU, got it :-)
[12:16]  Cory Linden shouts: and numerous recent releases are directly addressing underlying stresses and scaling issues in inventory and assets.
[12:16]  Phoenix Psaltery: SHHH!
[12:16]  Alayna Hutson: Next time, hope that your credit card information gets lost and you don’t have to pay for your premium account anymore…
[12:16]  Jeska Linden shouts: Kylix Petit: Where does stability and performance fall in the priorites for LL development…. There is a problem literally every other day and it seems like there is VERY much room for improvement in this regard.
[12:16]  Alayna Hutson: oh wait, nvm, won’t ever happen.
[12:16]  Digital Digital: it’s ok they dont care they got their money for me buying the 16KL
[12:16]  Cory Linden shouts: As I spoke about in the blog post, 69% of the development staff at LL are currently on scaling and stability…
[12:16]  Digital Digital: maybe reverse credit card charges?
[12:16]  Jamie David: lets all have a party
[12:17]  Kitty Barnett: other residents get your money, not LL
[12:17]  Nyx Divine: 69% even? :)
[12:17]  Mecha Dinosaur: I’d perfer over 9000
[12:17]  Cory Linden shouts: and that percentage is rising over the next few weeks. It is the highest priority and the focus of the majority of our design, coding, and QA work.
[12:17]  Heretic Linden: Please stick to the question at hand. Direct your other questions to Linden Town Hall Questions, please.
[12:17]  Gwynnie Boffin: guys, shush, let them answer please
[12:17]  Fart Binder: lol QA ..
[12:17]  Cory Linden shouts: We are also working on the next gen architecture to allow far more scaling thean the current design.
[12:17]  Jeska Linden shouts: Vienna James: I am concerned about releases that have blatant issues, why are they being missed in Beta?
[12:18]  Fart Binder: Instead of getting better things are going to get more worth …
[12:18]  Fart Binder: worse*
[12:18]  Mecha Dinosaur: Because hardly anyone uses Beta.. because the beta sims are so slow…
[12:18]  Cory Linden shouts: Many problems only appear when we hit high load. Part of the solution to this is better synthetic testing, but the beta grid exists for people to expose problems…
[12:18]  Zjggy Stardust: shhhhhhhhhhh
[12:18]  Nyx Divine: yup need more BETA testers :)
[12:18]  Zagro Ferraris: Vienna Go to beta and help us find them … beta so barron of folks
[12:18]  Cory Linden shouts: You can all help by exploring the beta grid and posting bugs and repro cases to the public jira.
[12:18]  Zagro Ferraris: nyx come join me in beta
[12:18]  PetGirl Bergman: as i cant write in the question group: when aregroup notises began to work properly aggain? I cant even start a conversation in my own group more…
[12:18]  Jeska Linden shouts: Lewis Nerd: When can we expect to see “Traffic” removed? It serves no purpose, is entirely inaccurate and gamed, and most likely adds to many other problems we have
[12:19]  Mecha Dinosaur: That would require the beta not be lagtastic
[12:19]  Nyx Divine: :)
[12:19]  Joshua Nightshade: Lewis stole my question. -.-
[12:19]  Alayna Hutson: amen to that question
[12:19]  Cory Linden shouts: Removing the current traffic metric is part of the new search project, so the goal is to pull it as soon as possible.
[12:19]  Imogen Saltair shouts: Hear Hear!!!!
[12:19]  Zagro Ferraris: Mecha ever go in beta any time other than a main grid down for maintenince
[12:19]  Zagro Ferraris: i go in all the time becos its faster
[12:19]  Wrestling Hulka: Lewis stole my first born :(
[12:19]  Jeska Linden shouts: Spank Lovell: I’d like to ask what Quality control measures LL has in place to police the testing and release of both client updates and patches the the SL client and backend systems. It seems to me that each release introduces issues or breaks previously stable features?
[12:20]  Patchouli Woollahra: hangs in there at least one hour a week. often much more.
[12:20]  Heretic Linden: Zagro, please confine your questions to Linden Town Hall Questions.
[12:20]  Alayna Hutson: another amen, especially breaking stable stuff!
[12:20]  Cory Linden shouts: As I mentioned, the challenge with a system as complex as SL is testing w/o full load. As we continue to builkd out the dev team…
[12:20]  Mecha Dinosaur: Yes I have gone to beta to test out things.. and it’s lagtastic.. sim crossings usually result in a crash.. and I won’t even talk about how unstable the voice client is.
[12:20]  Cory Linden shouts: We will be working on better synthetic tests and benchmarks. In addition, nearly all new/refactored code is being …
[12:21]  Maverick Miasma: beta works better than main for me…
[12:21]  Cory Linden shouts: written with unit tests, whcih help. But the best way for you all to help make SL better is to use the beta grid and report repro cases when you find them.
[12:21]  Flight Band: All Go
[12:21]  Jeska Linden shouts: Cedric Boyd: Since i’m not getting any answer from the support concerning this question: when will the map be updated again? The last map from the sim i live on was up2date about four weeks ago. Live Help didn’t answer to my question and the support still not too ;) .
[12:21]  Starr Sonic: For those who know peeps who can’t get into the sim.. this is streaming live on www.slcn.tv
[12:21]  Mecha Dinosaur: The voice beta client crashed 48 out of 50 times for me. .most amuzing.
[12:21]  Fart Binder shouts: Unit Tests is not testing!
[12:21]  Alayna Hutson: if LL wants more people to go to the grid, they better start providing incentives
[12:21]  Allana Dion: can’t ask questions in the group, keep getting error message
[12:22]  Patchouli Woollahra shouts: it is so!
[12:22]  Alayna Hutson: *beta grid
[12:22]  Patchouli Woollahra shouts: Qualitative testing is testing!
[12:22]  Starr Sonic: Hey Rb
[12:22]  PetGirl Bergman: ..
[12:22]  Fart Binder shouts: There can be still bugs if you don’t use human testing with protocolls and stuff!
[12:22]  Nyx Divine: alayna, having a viable game is incentive enuf for me
[12:22]  Cory Linden shouts: We know about the bug and it is actively being worked on. We will try to provide more details after the meeting.
[12:22]  Patchouli Woollahra shouts: Hence the invite to beta grid
[12:22]  Heretic Linden: Please allow Cory to speak and confine your comments for the time being.
[12:22]  Veeyawn Spoonhammer: Alayna, you need an incentive to help make the end product better?
[12:22]  Fart Binder shouts: Every bigger company, and yours is big enough, has an own testing appartment!
[12:22]  Alayna Hutson: doesn’t matter… no one is going to the beta gird and incentives will help pull people in to help where needed.
[12:23]  Zagro Ferraris: i gave up on the questions group
[12:23]  PetGirl Bergman: me to i cant write in it
[12:23]  Jeska Linden shouts: Sascha Vandyke: Can’t the patches be tested on a beta grid, because they always render the whole sim unstable?
[12:23]  Gwynnie Boffin: Fart, are you here to talk or listen?
[12:23]  Patchouli Woollahra: Eh, he’s heare to fart.
[12:23]  Nyx Divine: a beta grid? WTF is that? hehe
[12:23]  Cory Linden shouts: Patches are tested on the beta grid, but often times bugs do not appear until full load testing.
[12:23]  Jeska Linden shouts: Duckling Kwak: Is the explosive land expansion a factor impacting grid performance? If yes, has LL evaluated other alternatives to managing the rising cost of land? The increased land has had a modest impact on land prices. If it’s costing SL more in performance, it’s not a worthwhile tradeoff.
[12:24]  Cory Linden shouts: Not really. There are a couple of load points related to sim count, but one of them was removed last week and the other is being designed away.
[12:25]  Jeska Linden shouts: Nite Zelmanov: Does the new search functionality being worked on include the discontinuation of traffic based rankings to illiminate the camping/bot impact of people gaming that system?
[12:25]  PetGirl Bergman: as i cant write in the group i ask here sorry: when wil large groups be able to send outnotices again – mine are over 1000 and have stopped working
[12:25]  Jamie David: ditto!!!!!
[12:25]  Cory Linden shouts: Traffic was our first attempt to create relevance ranking and it clearly is imperfect at the best of times….
[12:25]  Nite Zelmanov shouts: Jeska, he already answered that questions!
[12:25]  Nite Zelmanov shouts: FFS
[12:26]  Cory Linden: we’re pretty confident that we can generate better relevance ranking using other approaches.
[12:26]  Callipygian Christensen: :etgirl- we sent one successfully today to a group of over 2000..it might just have been a miracle though
[12:26]  Cory Linden shouts: we’re pretty confident that we can generate better relevance ranking using other approaches.
[12:26]  Ravanne Sullivan shouts: Please, no redundant questiions!
[12:26]  Joshua Nightshade shouts: nite: No he didn’t. Simply deleting traffic won’t get rid of camping. They game it for popular places.
[12:26]  Heretic Linden shouts: Please direct your questions to the group Linden Town Hall Questions.
[12:26]  Jeska Linden shouts: Rita Cummings: Is there any project about improving Sound in Sl? Your sound component seems to capable of much more then what the current functions allow as to do. Will you expose more functionality in the near future?
[12:27]  Jamie David: Heritic we can’t, We try
[12:27]  Ravanne Sullivan shouts: The questions grop as well as the CC group are not working!
[12:27]  Cory Linden shouts: Voice is going to generate a lot of new music and audio options.
[12:27]  Cory Linden shouts: and our effort is there more than other audio features.
[12:27]  Celano Obscure: Indeed. The CC group hasn’t popped up for me yet.
[12:28]  Cory Linden shouts: but sound bugs are going into public jira nad the studio focusedon bugs will look at them.
[12:28]  Wrestling Hulka: CC group is not in use because this is a non-voice town hall.
[12:28]  Wrestling Hulka: thought that was obvious :X
[12:28]  Jeska Linden shouts: Chaos Mohr: What is being done to address land database issues which result in things such as parcels being paid for and not transferring, parcels being sold to multiple people etc? This seems to be a major technical issue which keeps cropping up and hasn’t been fixed yet.
[12:28]  Celano Obscure: Yeah, but not everyone can cram in this sim. There might be peopple on the outside who’d like to know what’s going on.
[12:28]  Heretic Linden shouts: A copy of this Town Hall transcript will be posted on the blog.
[12:28]  Wrestling Hulka: ^ what he said
[12:28]  Cory Linden shouts: These are likely symtpoms of the broader stresses on the central db and transactions..
[12:29]  PetGirl Bergman: i get a not etelling me i am not allowed to write questions…
[12:29]  Ravanne Sullivan: CC group was supposed to mirror chat
[12:29]  PetGirl Bergman: sorry
[12:29]  Cory Linden shouts: as I mentioned int he blog post, we are attacking these problems in two ways, to first identity weak spots in the current system and to build a better transaction system as well.
[12:29]  Jeska Linden shouts: Robaato Yoshikawa: do MySQL instances are load balanced, or the architecture is based on only assigning different server to residents, if the answer is no, have LL looked at tools like Sequoia: http://sequoia.continuent.org/HomePage
[12:30]  Cory Linden shouts: Right now the different residents go to different servers. Ops will get the sequoia pointer, but more broadly we want to go a more scalable architecture long term. More details on that very soon.
[12:31]  Jeska Linden shouts: Magi Merlin: What focus are you putting into improving pre-release testing in order to reduce our pain?
[12:31]  Nite Zelmanov shouts: Jeska FFS
[12:31]  Ravanne Sullivan shouts: ASked and answered already!
[12:31]  Cory Linden shouts: We’ve hit this one a few times. It is the majority of our design work, we post all potential code to Beta grid, and we hope that more of you hit the beta grid to test it.
[12:32]  Alayna Hutson: come on, question asked, question answered, repeats = wasted time
[12:32]  Jeska Linden shouts: Sharrah Brendel: What about the loss of live help..it has been inpossible to contact a live person in SL for over two weeks. I have left 5 tickets and never heard a word…Where have all the Lindens gone?
[12:32]  Heretic Linden: Please confine your comments to Linden Town Hall Discussion.
[12:32]  Patchouli Woollahra starts humming ‘where have all the cowboys gone’.
[12:32]  Simon Pulford shouts: working at stability issues :D
[12:32]  Gwynnie Boffin shouts: that’s all in the blog, too
[12:33]  Cory Linden shouts: There’s an extensive blog post about that, will post into chat in a moment.
[12:33]  Allana Dion shouts: We can’t Heretic, it’s broken, all we get is an error message when we try to ask a question
[12:33]  Torley Linden: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/04/26/introducing-liaison-specialist-teams/
[12:33]  Torley Linden: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/04/25/support-update/
[12:33]  PetGirl Bergman: But if It doent work to write there wahte shal I DO? Heretic Linden: Please confine your comments to Linden Town Hall Discussion.
[12:33]  Torley Linden: ^ See those blog posts for more details.
[12:33]  Jeska Linden shouts: Keiki Lemieux: I often have upset customers who have lost animations or other no copy items when trying to transfer them from their inventory to a HUD. Other customers have lost their HUD altoghether. Since yesterday’s update, I’ve had 3 customers contact me with inventory loss issues. Two questions, 1) Is there a particular resource that I can point someone to who is experiencing inventory loss issues, like a page in the wiki? and 2) If you are noticing inventory loss after users attempt to move items in a particular way, can you provide a list of suggestions that I can pass on to my customers to avoid inventory loss?
[12:33]  Sascha Vandyke: close the group and reopen the im
[12:33]  Zagro Ferraris: ok i’ve tried asking this in questions 12 times and keep getting error’s
[12:33]  Gwynnie Boffin: also in the blog
[12:34]  Zagro Ferraris: Are we going to have some kind of help with greefing in the public sandboxes since thers no more live help. and :) when do we see the first sculpties in beta.
[12:34]  Cory Linden shouts: There are inventory related bugs on the public jira, also we have been putting a lot of code into QA to address some of thos eproblems. For more details, see blog post on transactions.
[12:35]  Jeska Linden shouts: tx Oh: q1) i still can’t modify scripts in group deeded object but i alowed to edit them. q2) if i change objects inventory, it takes a lot of time to get it updated. q3) the read from notecards is very slow. WHY?
[12:35]  Torley Linden shouts: Public JIRA Issue Tracker – http://jira.secondlife.com
[12:35]  Heretic Linden shouts: Please confine your comments to Linden Town Hall Discussion.
[12:35]  Kitty Barnett: (abuse reports for that, Zagro)
[12:35]  Cory Linden shouts: On specific bugs, please make they are in the public jira issue tracker, please add specific repro cases if you have them, and the studio focused on current bugs will be able to hit them.
[12:36]  Jeska Linden shouts: Nel Shan: How do the Lindens feel about the Open Letter Project, and what it implies about the state of Linden/resident communications?
[12:36]  Texas Timtam: (Live coverage of this town meeting at http://slcn.tv)
[12:36]  Cory Linden shouts: I can’t speak for all Lindens, but as I mentioned in the blog post, I thought that it did a good job of coalescing issues into one thread.
[12:37]  Jeska Linden shouts: Synack Fitzgerald: has LL considered migrating to a database that scales better that mysql and pays more attention to data integrity (postgresql is free, but oracle or db2 would be viable options as well)?
[12:37]  Cory Linden shouts: We don’t want to work on a model where we attempt to scale a central db. Instead, the effort is to build out a more scalable architecture.
[12:37]  Zi Ree: why.. noscript ..no work ..in noscript area? :P
[12:38]  Cory Linden shouts: And MySQL master->slave->slave setusp we use are quite reliable.
[12:38]  Heretic Linden shouts: Please direct all questions to the group Linden Town Hall Questions.
[12:38]  tx Oh shouts: decentralisation is the way to go
[12:39]  Jeska Linden shouts: Kymber Schnook: The blog indicates that LL will provide an exporter for Maya for the creation of sculpted prims. The range of pricing for different versions of Maya runs from $2,000 to $7,000 USD. Will you make available a more affordable means of export at the time of introduction of the sculpted prim?
[12:39]  Nite Zelmanov shouts: There there a linden clever enough to boot the spammy objects? Thanks!
[12:39]  Heretic Linden shouts: Please direct your comments to the group Linden Town Hall Discussion.
[12:39]  Wrestling Hulka: There is a free personal usage Maya client I believe ^^
[12:40]  Cory Linden shouts: I agree that only being able to export from Maya is suboptimal. We expect other exporters to be written and someone could take the open source client and build an editor there as well.
[12:40]  Jeska Linden shouts: Cay Trudeau: Do you think arranging physichal server on other continents, like Europe for instance, would ease up on the server load, ease the connections and allow better performance for European residents? Would that also lift the load from sending texture data across the wire?
[12:40]  Kitty Barnett: uhm :(
[12:40]  Cory Linden shouts: We absolutely want to deploy servers overseas. We have an architectural quirk in how we talk to the dbs — a layer of single threaded dataservers –
[12:41]  Heretic Linden shouts: Please keep in mind that a transcript of this Town Hall will be available.
[12:41]  Cory Linden shouts: that would suffer in situations with greater ping latency, so we need to fix that problem first, whcih is being worked on.
[12:41]  Cory Linden shouts: once that is fixed, we will begin international deployments. This is critical since over 65% of our use is from outside the US.
[12:42]  Jeska Linden shouts: Daisy Beauchamp: regarding 1.15 and graphic cards in laptops not working: 1. Why is it inconsistent? Why can I login and stay logged in for hours after 5-10 attempts? 2. Will SL ever support other graphic cards, or should I consider selling my Island and counting my losses? 3. Is it possible to use an older version of SL if you have issues?
[12:42]  Wrestling Hulka: Solution: Servers in Space :D
[12:43]  Cory Linden shouts: Laptop drivers are still an issue for all highperformance 3D applications. Over time, they are improving, but not as quickly as any of us would like.
[12:43]  Cory Linden shouts: We are discussing how to drive the client onto both higher and lower end cards, but right now more development is on system wide scaling.
[12:43]  Jeska Linden shouts: Doc Nielsen: What we are asking for is that these problems are addressed immediately, ahead of new features, and that we are able to see tangible improvements. Are you going to do this – yes or no?
[12:43]  Mo Rocco: Why have I not gotten any response in my request to increase my Lindex Limits?
[12:43]  Veeyawn Spoonhammer: Nice work SLCN.tv, good coverage
[12:44]  Cory Linden shouts: As I previously mentioned — and was in the blog post — 69% of development is currently on bugs and scaling. That number will increase this month as we continue to hire.
[12:44]  Marilyn Murphy is gonna have docs baby
[12:45]  Kitty Barnett sighs at a sim restart in the middle of a town hall :(
[12:45]  Cory Linden shouts: Also, this is a good time to remind folks, we are hiring developers aggressively, including offices in Seattle, Boston, and all over the Bay Area.
[12:45]  Zi Ree: me ..no can move ..there :P
[12:45]  Ruud Lathrop shouts: But not in Europe
[12:45]  Brett Finsbury: fantastic
[12:45]  Cory Linden shouts: Plus, we will always look at smart folks anywhere in the world since SL is working quite well for distributed software development. Oh, Brighton, too!
[12:45]  Fart Binder: Ruud yeah ^^
[12:45]  Jeska Linden shouts: Sam Stork: Will there ever be a good IDE? Two seperate clients for example, which would make things a lot easier for everyone?
[12:45]  Ruud Lathrop shouts: Yeah
[12:46]  Fart Binder: I don’t count UK as Europe :p *hides*
[12:46]  Fart Binder: just kidding
[12:46]  Fart Binder: ^^
[12:46]  Heretic Linden shouts: Please confine your comments to the group Linden Town Hall Discussion.
[12:46]  Cory Linden: We are starting the design process for making the UI even more end-user customizable. Plus it is open source, so I think the answer is yes, but scaling/stability is more important right now.
[12:47]  Jeska Linden shouts: Thorian Pennell: I would like to know if it’ll be possible for group owners to limit chat ability of members?
[12:47]  Alayna Hutson: Next time Heretic says that, I’m getting 100 000 linden dollars
[12:47]  Cory Linden shouts: Voice chat within groups is on the roadmap, so yes.
[12:47]  Jeska Linden shouts: Sascha Vandyke: If there’s a database issue and deployment problem, why don’t you put a time limit on free accounts?
[12:47]  Alayna Hutson: oooh good idea
[12:48]  Phoenix Psaltery: Must say I agree
[12:48]  tx Oh shouts: no voice chat on linux scheduled
[12:48]  Alayna Hutson: It would probably put the citizen count down closer to 2 million so they won’t do it.
[12:48]  Cory Linden shouts: We actually had time limits long, long, long, LONG ago. The problem is that people take a while to learn to use SL, plus great events or builds often bring folks back in weeks/months/years down the road.
[12:49]  Alayna Hutson: too bad for them. database issues are more important than someone having to make a new account to revisit SL.
[12:49]  Cory Linden shouts: It would be bad for all of our businesses to lose that ability for casual users to come back in. Plus, as we have discussed, free accounts are less of the load than you might expect.
[12:49]  Lexa Pro: can someone who can get into the questions group pass this one on, credited to Lexa Pro? “The recent Group IM bugs and resultant chat flooding highlighted an issue that several residents I’ve spoken with and I would like to see resolved. Is any thought being given to allowing users to toggle Group IMs on/off on a per-group basis, giving us the freedom to avoid the noisier group chats while still being able to keep tabs on groups that interest us?”
[12:49]  Notecard Writer: Oh PLEASE
[12:49]  Jeska Linden shouts: Alexandra Rucker: When will groups truly be fixed? I had to relog 3 times to see the town hall QUESTIONS group, and people still can’t see what’s being pasted to the captions group?
[12:50]  Cory Linden shouts: That is a known bug in the public jira that is being worked on.
[12:50]  Luth Brodie: oh come on not the “businesses” card
[12:50]  Torley Linden: Groups IMs Not Working Properly on the Issue Tracker – https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-513
[12:50]  Jeska Linden shouts: Arguss Sleeper: Is it possible to have a “real time” sim status map so that when there is a rolling restart or issuses concerning the ability t0 use the full grid a person would know in advance where not to tp to?
[12:50]  Lexa Pro: ok, folks, i think we got it. =) thanks greho, melchoir. =)
[12:51]  Cory Linden shouts: We currently have an internal tool that does that. We eventually want to be expose portions of that functionality via webservices.
[12:51]  Jeska Linden shouts: PetGirl Bergman: when wil large groups be able to send outnotices again – mine are over 1000 and have stopped working?
[12:51]  Melchoir Tokhes: Dammit, Lexa, that one didn’t go in. Got an error.
[12:51]  Lexa Pro: melchoir: i saw it.
[12:51]  Melchoir Tokhes: :p I didn’t :)
[12:52]  Lexa Pro: and phoenix just got it through again, that i could see anyway.
[12:52]  Torley Linden: For many of these bugs, you can look them up on the Issue Tracker (Public JIRA) – Group Notices failing – https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-37
[12:52]  Lexa Pro: so let’s stop torturing them a sec. =)
[12:52]  Greho Otaared: It seems sometimes, the group throws an error, but catches the message
[12:52]  Jeska Linden shouts: Katrina Bekkers: since the Open Letter indeed HAD a follow-up from LL, is this *the* way to contact them from now on? since the undercutting of other venues to contact them (and no, a comments-disabled blog and an unresponsive support/tracker don’t count), you’re endorsing resorting to 2000+ residents signed petitions to make issues heard now?
[12:52]  Cory Linden shouts: What Torley said…
[12:52]  Phoenix Psaltery: Interesting – I didnt see mine go through
[12:52]  Kooky Jetaime: ((What did torley say??))
[12:53]  Melchoir Tokhes: It’s a question I’d really like to have an answer to.
[12:53]  Cory Linden shouts: In this case, since scaling and stability are the primary internal focus right now this was an excelletn opportunity for a conversation.
[12:53]  Notecard Writer tears his hair out
[12:53]  Harleen Gretzky: [12:52] Torley Linden: For many of these bugs, you can look them up on the Issue Tracker (Public JIRA) – Group Notices failing – https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-37
[12:53]  Alayna Hutson pats notecard on the back and gives him some glue for his hair
[12:53]  Cory Linden shouts: As the commuynity team has been bloggin about, there are various methods for contacting us and talking to Lindens, including office hours, etc.
[12:53]  Kooky Jetaime: (Thanks Harleen))
[12:53]  Notecard Writer: thanks Alayna
[12:53]  Heretic Linden shouts: Please chat in Linden Town Hall Discussion.
[12:53]  Imogen Saltair: so the answwer to us not being able to talk to you is ‘we are on it’ whatever it is
[12:54]  Jeska Linden shouts: tx Oh: over 90% open bug reports are unassigned. why?
[12:54]  Samantha Poindexter: Yay! Alayna wins L$100,000!
[12:54]  Alayna Hutson: score!! pay up, Heretic
[12:54]  Alayna Hutson holds her hands out
[12:54]  moo Money rolls her eyes at Alayna
[12:55]  Cory Linden shouts: Torley is on this, so we are trying to provide better feedback on when bugs are being worked on. Not all will show the specific Linden who is on it, but we will indicate thos we are on.
[12:55]  Phoenix Psaltery: Can we please keep unneccesary chatter to a minimum?
[12:55]  Jeska Linden shouts: Nel Shan: One of the major issues that comes up with inventory loss is the fact that there is no way to verify the loss. This leads to the impression that the Lindens believe that anyone complaining about inventory loss is trying to scam Linden Labs. As well as trying to reduce inventory loss, will there be a way of verifying it introduced?
[12:55]  Torley Linden shouts: Re: bug status, you can read the Issue Tracker instructions – https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Issue_tracker
[12:55]  Torley Linden shouts: See the procedure and the bottom section about “WorkingOnIt Linden”
[12:55]  Cory Linden shouts: That’s a very good idea and I will pass it along to the people focused on the issues.
[12:56]  Jeska Linden shouts: BlckCobra Shikami: Are our bug reports and crash dumps taken serious and analysed or do you just wait 2 month and send an eMail (like today) asking wether the bug still matter? Does it make sense for us to send bug reports and crash dumps or do we betetr save our time on that?
[12:56]  Cory Linden shouts: Please start focusing that energy on the public jira. That is the best vector for demonstrating repeatable bugs and getting the data to the people working on the problems.
[12:57]  Jeska Linden shouts: tha Poindexter: Have you considered holding events in the beta grid for better testing? For instance, would it help if these Town Hall meetings were held on that grid?
[12:57]  Zi Ree: pile-ons
[12:57]  Jeska Linden: (that’s from Samantha Poindexter – sorry!)
[12:57]  Alayna Hutson: oooh, good idea
[12:57]  Samantha Poindexter: “tha Poindexter”?
[12:57]  Buckaroo Mu: DAMN GOOD IDEA!
[12:57]  Ravanne Sullivan giggles
[12:57]  Cory Linden shouts: We have in the past and will continue to do so in the future. Town halls there is a good suggestion.
[12:57]  Jeska Linden shouts: ascha Vandyke: After the update my island is unstable and support can’t find the issue. Will there be better debug tools coming to fix it?
[12:58]  Neovo Geesink: FULL…
[12:58]  Celano Obscure: No sorry. Too much of a bother. Best leave the crash-logger intact for now.
[12:58]  Phoenix Psaltery grin… that’s what we call you, Sam… “Teh Poindexter.”
[12:58]  Greho Otaared: (Sorry.. can someone tell my if my question is showing in the group?)
[12:58]  Samantha Poindexter giggles.
[12:58]  Cory Linden shouts: In the long run, we want to expose as many of the management and support tools we have for land to the residents so that you can provide better data back to us…
[12:58]  Cory Linden shouts: but that is going to take time.
[12:59]  Jeska Linden shouts: GreeterDan Godel: people are here expecting answers to their big questions. But it is clear that a lot of people’s big concerns don’t have immediate answers. Should people accept SL as it is and hope for slow change? Or is there reason to expect fundamental changes to the biggest problems any time soon?
[12:59]  Sascha Vandyke: did this region crash or only I
[12:59]  Kitty Burnett: sim restarted
[13:00]  Sascha Vandyke: lol
[13:00]  Gwynnie Boffin: we didn’t crash
[13:00]  Cory Linden shouts: The answer, of course, lies somewhere in between. We are working to fix bugs and enable incremental improvement. At the same time, we are…
[13:00]  Cory Linden shouts: building the foundations for the next gen architecture that will radically improve our ability to scale.
[13:00]  Neovo Geesink: Incredible… Not even a seat to occupie…
[13:01]  Cory Linden shouts: We also expect that some changes that might seem incremental, such as voice, will actually be transformative in terms of the avaialble design space for residents.
[13:01]  Geor Mizser: People need to realize that for the most part, this is the initial 3D/Virtual “world” available on this scale and they should accept that there are going to be problems along the way.
[13:01]  Jeska Linden shouts: Melchoir Tokhes: What’s the story with the Friends list and the online status indication? Can we expect to see (please) a way where we can check the online status and update the client side on a per-person basis?
[13:02]  Torley Linden shouts: Friends list not working on the Issue Tracker – https://jira.lindenlab.com/browse/SL-40433
[13:02]  Celano Obscure: Except for all those people who won’t use voice….
[13:02]  Cory Linden shouts: My blog post went into some detail on this. In addition there are details on the public jira. Plus, we are continuing to roll out fixes to thsi system.
[13:03]  Luth Brodie: and those who will discriminate against those of us who wont use voice
[13:03]  Wigge Whitfield shouts: : As I have posted on the forum, PLEASE Address the Group IM issue, allowing group owners to DISABLE Group IMs or allowing users to choose not to receive them.. As we speak my group was being spammed, and due too the current bugs I couldnt chat in the group myself to address them, costing me ove 25 members.. PLEASE Address this problem for us business owners!
[13:03]  Jeska Linden shouts: Salazar Jack: What will have to happen to eliminate region crossing rubberbanding, for everything from simply walking across a region boundary to traveling between region in vehicles. Is there a way to make that seamless and unnoticeable?
[13:04]  Cory Linden shouts: As many of you know, the region crossing process involves packaging up the objects, scripts, script state and movin ghtem between physical machines…
[13:04]  Neovo Geesink: I will que up in this matter of Group IM… I, From Spinach Games have the same issue.
[13:04]  Nyna Slate: and thats a question going on since 2003
[13:04]  Cory Linden shouts: there are still some approaches available to us to mask that latency and I feel that we will be able to improve that a lot.
[13:04]  Cory Linden shouts: However, the resources to address that are currently on broader scaling/stability issues.
[13:04]  SunShine Kukulcan: OH PLEASE
[13:04]  Jeska Linden shouts: Michael Dale: Regarding teleporting, it is our only real method of travel within SL. It’s constant breakdowns hinder everyone’s ability to perform basic and routine functions within SL. When will this issue be addressed and corrected?
[13:05]  Cory Linden shouts: We are currently working on better metrics for detecting teleport issues and stomping out the bugs in the system.
[13:05]  Jeska Linden shouts: Phoenix Psaltery: How does LL plan to deal with urgent scaling issues through 3Q2007 as the concurrent logins continue to grow?
[13:05]  Wigge Whitfield shouts: JESKA LINDEN: : As I have posted on the forum, PLEASE Address the Group IM issue, allowing group owners to DISABLE Group IMs or allowing users to choose not to receive them.. As we speak my group was being spammed, and due too the current bugs I couldnt chat in the group myself to address them, costing me ove 25 members.. PLEASE Address this problem for us business owners!
[13:05]  Neovo Geesink: Can the flyspeed be increased so that one does not have to use the teleport system for ajacent regions, or nearby regions??
[13:06]  Samantha Poindexter: …how ironic. Wigge’s spamming chat to complain about spam in the groups.
[13:06]  Spaceman Opus: lo;
[13:06]  Blackpanther124 Clarke: lol
[13:06]  Cory Linden shouts: As the blog post talks about, most of the development effort is on those issues, plus the next gen architecture will enable us to achieve far larger scale than we can today.
[13:06]  Rob Adelaide: Neovo, aka noob, get a flight enhancer if that’s what you want
[13:06]  Cory Linden shouts: OK, last question…
[13:06]  Jeska Linden shouts: Radslns Hutchence: As residents, invested in making SL work, what can we do, in addition to being patient, to help with any of these initiatives?
[13:07]  Alayna Hutson: absolutely nothing because the lindens don’t listen to us
[13:07]  Cory Linden shouts: Patience obviously helps, but more than that, please help the community build the pieces it needs to make SL a better place…
[13:07]  Captain Noarlunga: wtg
[13:07]  Phoenix Psaltery rolls his eyes
[13:07]  Alayna Hutson: whoops, did I say that out loud?
[13:07]  Ken Serapis: Hello Scarlet! Remember me from the ITE?
[13:08]  Cory Linden shouts: If you are a programmer, contribute to the open source project or come work for us…
[13:08]  Rob Adelaide: Hey Ken!
[13:08]  Blackpanther124 Clarke: it is true in ways Alayna
[13:08]  Zi Ree: import me :P
[13:08]  Scarlett Qi: Hi Ken
[13:08]  Cory Linden: If you have bugs and can repro them, add data into thepublic jira…
[13:08]  Cory Linden shouts: If you have bugs and can repro them, add data into thepublic jira…
[13:08]  Captain Noarlunga: jira….lol
[13:08]  Cory Linden shouts: Help with the wiki and documentation…
[13:08]  Celano Obscure: See now, it’s much better to keep the harsher mocking to IM.;)
[13:08]  Ken Serapis: cory, What happened to the Help request?
[13:09]  Kooky Jetaime: ((Ken, read da blog))
[13:09]  Captain Noarlunga: need a damned degree to enter JIRA
[13:09]  Rob Adelaide: lol, Ken, you noob :P
[13:09]  Cory Linden shouts: Spend time helping out in the welcome areas and help island…
[13:09]  Rob Adelaide pokes Ken
[13:09]  Ken Serapis: Fine.. haha
[13:09]  Notecard Writer: And Info Island!
[13:09]  Spaceman Opus: warning newbies what they’re really in for is far different than what they read in their local newspaper
[13:09]  Brett Finsbury: thank you for taking the time to answer questions
[13:09]  Master Pye: OK Ill help out :-)
[13:09]  Salazar Jack: Thanks for the dialogue.
[13:09]  Celano Obscure: Don’t feel bad Captain. I know people with degrees who think Jira’s obtuse.
[13:09]  Cory Linden: As bill and ted would say, be excellent to each other.
[13:09]  Gwynnie Boffin: thanks a lot for having this, guys :)
[13:09]  Captain Noarlunga: lol
[13:09]  Edfud Shabazz: yes thx
[13:09]  Edfud Shabazz: :)
[13:09]  Digital Digital: lol
[13:09]  Greho Otaared grins
[13:10]  Fart Binder: Is there a way to get Debugging Symbols of your current Secondlife Viewer Builds to be abled tracking issues?
[13:10]  Kim Anubis: Thank you, Cory & all you fine Lindens :)
[13:10]  Cory Linden shouts: Thank you all very much for all the great questions.
[13:10]  Rob Adelaide: There will now be a brief autograph and photo op with the lindens…please make a single-file line to the right of the stage :P
[13:10]  Neovo Geesink: Thats a thing I choosed to do allso… Staying around on the Help Island… Lots of people with questions there…
[13:10]  Captain Noarlunga: so…bottom line…….it screwed up and it aint gonna work
[13:10]  Kooky Jetaime: ((I’ve had problems with Jira but oh well.. Guess theres no point in bug repping anymore.. and if thats the case, why not remove that button??))
[13:10]  Ken Serapis: haha
[13:10]  Digital Digital: lol
[13:10]  Blackpanther124 Clarke: lol
[13:10]  Melchoir Tokhes shouts: No no, thank you for all the great answer.s
[13:10]  tessa Amos shouts: thanks Lindens :)
[13:10]  Digital Digital: Thanks lindens! :)
[13:10]  moo Money: Thank you for taking out the time to address us, guys
[13:10]  Cory Linden shouts: I will be making blog posts about known issues more regularly as we move forward as well.
[13:10]  Jesse Linden: thanks everyone
[13:10]  Jeska Linden shouts: Thanks for coming to the Town Hall everyone. Please note the transcript from the Town Hall will be posted in the Blog.
[13:10]  Notecard Writer: Thanks Cory & the Lindens…
[13:10]  Jeska Linden shouts: That’s at blog.secondlife.com
[13:10]  Steve Mahfouz shouts: Thanks Lindens for your time
[13:11]  Gwynnie Boffin: omg with the snapshots already
[13:11]  Kooky Jetaime: ((Can we have open comments?? it seems everything is closed comments anymore))
[13:11]  tx Oh: AND DONT CLOSE THEM FOR COMMENTS!
[13:11]  Edfud Shabazz: lol
[13:11]  Mildred Mapp: lol
[13:11]  Mo Rocco shouts: Could I get an answer to my question now Lindens? About why no one has contacted me about my Lindex Limits request?
[13:11]  Daisy Beauchamp: sighs
[13:11]  Cory Linden shouts: And as we will be talking in more detail about the next gen architecture, search, etc, soon.
[13:11]  Timeless Prototype: no flashes please ;)
[13:11]  Captain Noarlunga: lol
[13:11]  Cory Linden shouts: Thanks, everyone.
[13:11]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay on that, Cory :)
[13:11]  Luth Brodie: yes thank you for taking your time to deflect questions
[13:11]  Neovo Geesink: OK. Its a big plus th have such meetings! It is clearly clarifieng things, and gave us the chance to meet with the Lindens to talk.
[13:11]  Kooky Jetaime: ((Zero’s open office meetings are great for next gen archatecture))
[13:11]  Spaceman Opus: lol
[13:11]  Jesse Linden: now time to dance?
[13:11]  Captain Noarlunga removes hair and shoes from ass and goes home
[13:11]  tx Oh: use full text indexing would help!
[13:11]  Marilyn Murphy: not one thing has been fixed yet
[13:12]  CickMy Lunt: i am dancing in the floor
[13:12]  Zaphod Kotobide: Thank you cory and the rest..
[13:12]  ThumpieBunnyEve Hax shouts: If any Lindens know me or more importantly,”” Julia Wolf”” please contact me Vie IM after this event. I know one of you do! I’ve met you!
[13:12]  Ruud Lathrop shouts: Go do a little dance Jesse
[13:12]  Ruud Lathrop shouts: :)
[13:12]  Whack Oh: Thanks Cory and LL!
[13:12]  Zaphod Kotobide: now where’s the free beer?
[13:12]  Lexa Pro: ok, folks, i’ll be afterpartying here at heck: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Innamincka/113/191/92 thanks for your time, lindens!
[13:12]  moo Money: and now we dance!
[13:12]  Blackpanther124 Clarke: wow i think i broke myself
[13:12]  tessa Amos shouts: woohoo Jesse
[13:12]  Spaceman Opus shouts: And, please….remember to keep communication open, Lindens!
[13:12]  Phoenix Psaltery opts for vodka
[13:12]  c0r3y Hax: so can someone bullet point this for someone who just arrived?
[13:12]  Jeska Linden: oh! i need a good dance animation….
[13:12]  Zagro Ferraris: thank you
[13:12]  Zagro Ferraris: byby
[13:12]  Neovo Geesink: I have subscribed to be a volunteer, so I will see when it is processed.
[13:12]  Celano Obscure: I wanna beer.
[13:12]  Timeless Prototype: hi Gwyn
[13:12]  Digital Digital: sorry if i run in to anyone i cant see where im going LMAO
[13:12]  CickMy Lunt: lol hay sebas :3
[13:13]  Gwynnie Boffin: hi Timeless :)
[13:13]  Ruud Lathrop shouts: wooot
[13:13]  Zagro Ferraris: wholy …… dont look behind me :p
[13:13]  Zagro Ferraris: lagtastick
[13:13]  Kooky Jetaime: guess its time to go huntin
[13:13]  Marilyn Murphy: basically a lot of talk about the swell new stuff coming our way and they are gonna work on the problems
[13:13]  Soft Noel shouts: YOU GO, JESSE!!! XD
[13:13]  tessa Amos shouts: get down jesse :P
[13:13]  Timeless Prototype: great spectator sport this is
[13:13]  Phoenix Psaltery: Bye, all
[13:13]  Jesse Linden: Ungh!
[13:13]  Digital Digital: lol now all we need is music hahahahahahaha
[13:13]  Lexa Pro: one more time, for the hearing impaired: ok, folks, i’ll be afterpartying here at heck: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Innamincka/113/191/92 thanks for your time, lindens!
[13:14]  Thorvalld Barragar: Where be te’ afterparty?
[13:14]  Rob Adelaide: Hey, Timeless, you invented the ‘Multi-Gadget’, right?
[13:14]  Sebas Writer: oi, im getting super lag here
[13:14]  moo Money: Sebas!
[13:14]  Timeless Prototype: yes Rob
[13:14]  Sebas Writer: Strange Love
[13:14]  Neovo Geesink: Indeed tTimeless… There should be more of them in Sync. So there will be much les lag.
[13:14]  Jamie David: and here we see it
[13:14]  Digital Digital: *sings* celebrtate good times come on!
[13:14]  Jamie David: dancing in the steets
[13:14]  Rob Adelaide: where are you so I can punch you?
[13:14]  CickMy Lunt: hey guys look how many w-hats are here not griefing
[13:14]  ThumpieBunnyEve Hax: [] [] [] [] [] [] If any Lindens know me or more importantly,”” Julia Wolf”” please contact me Vie IM after this event. I know one of you do! I’ve met you! [] [] [] [] [] [] []
[13:14]  Jamie David: fluff, and danding
[13:14]  Digital Digital: lol
[13:14]  Timeless Prototype: hehe Rob, over here, right of stage
[13:14]  Blackpanther124 Clarke: lag lag
[13:14]  Astarte Artaud shouts: Well two crashes since I’ve been here and so far I have heard nothing other than a reiteration of what was posted in the blog reply to the open letter. I suppose I couldn’t ask for anything else
[13:14]  moo Money: Cick: that’s the kind of statement that calls attention to them and gets them banned
[13:15]  Ken Serapis: Right to my left :P
[13:15]  Amur Kuhn shouts: I LOVE THE LINDENS!!
[13:15]  Amur Kuhn shouts: I DONT KNOW WATS GOING ON BUT!!
[13:15]  Rob Adelaide: damn, you’re in another sim and I can’t cross
[13:15]  Kooky Jetaime watches his framerate climb as people dissapear
[13:15]  Jeska Linden: dance dance
[13:15]  Jeska Linden grins
[13:15]  Heretic Linden: Lol, Gwynnie.
[13:15]  CickMy Lunt: i suppose that is true
[13:15]  Heretic Linden moves.
[13:15]  Gwynnie Boffin: ;)
[13:15]  Spike Linden: Gwynnie!! haha
[13:15]  Timeless Prototype: lol
[13:15]  Jesse Linden: can’t. stop. dancin’.
[13:15]  Spike Linden: that is so bad, lol
[13:15]  Digital Digital: I have a new dance
[13:15]  Gwynnie Boffin: heh heh
[13:15]  Digital Digital: :P
[13:15]  Jamie David: this is the stuff of legends.
[13:15]  Timeless Prototype flips up his brollie – if the shit’s going to hit the fan
[13:15]  Melchoir Tokhes waks on your head.
[13:15]  Gwynnie Boffin: hey, i just capture the moments…
[13:15]  Kooky Jetaime: come on… give me 6…..
[13:16]  Digital Digital: lmao
[13:16]  Timeless Prototype: hi Tao
[13:16]  IrishCream Balboa: i take it the meeting is over?
[13:16]  Jeska Linden: boogie woogie

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